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Wow! I thought I had seen it all in illegal, online scams, but this one takes the prize as being the most disgusting one ever. Normally I would not write about a scam on this site, but I’m outraged! How dare someone run an illegal chain letter calling it God’s Action Plan!!
I’m going to publish the website, but it is just so that you can spread the word. It is www.thebiblicalsevenactivity.com. The scam is all spelled out, including in a spreadsheet. You “gift” money to someone and “receive” money from 3 others. You’re supposed to send it via US mail (USPS or FedEx) in a greeting card with a note saying that it is a gift. Disguising a chain letter does not make it any less illegal.
Do NOT under any circumstances attempt this scam! Chain letters are illegal in the US and most countries. In the US it is punishable by fine and/or federal prison. It is a federal offense. If you participate, you will be punished. It doesn’t matter if you knew or didn’t know it is a crime.
What’s worse than this scam being a felony is that the criminal running it is disguising it as something approved by God! This is utterly ridiculous. In the scam, the “gifters” do so with the sole purpose of receiving. Even those that don’t know much about God, know that God says that a gift is something you give without any expectation of something in return. Those of us that know and love God should know how blasphemous this scam is. Even non-believers should recognize it as a total sham.
If you live in the US, I urge you to write to US Post Office alerting them of this scam. My letter goes out tomorrow. Normally I sign articles with “JMO.” In this case it is not just my opinion, it is in the bible and the law.
God Bless - Sharon
P.S. Here is the domain name registration information. I have no clue if the data is real or not.
The data contained in GoDaddy.com, Inc.’s WHOIS database,
while believed by the company to be reliable, is provided “as is”
with no guarantee or warranties regarding its accuracy. This
information is provided for the sole purpose of assisting you
in obtaining information about domain name registration records.
Any use of this data for any other purpose is expressly forbidden without the prior written
permission of GoDaddy.com, Inc. By submitting an inquiry,
you agree to these terms of usage and limitations of warranty. In particular,
you agree not to use this data to allow, enable, or otherwise make possible,
dissemination or collection of this data, in part or in its entirety, for any
purpose, such as the transmission of unsolicited advertising and
solicitations of any kind, including spam. You further agree
not to use this data to enable high volume, automated or robotic electronic
processes designed to collect or compile this data for any purpose,
including mining this data for your own personal or commercial purposes.
Please note: the registrant of the domain name is specified
in the “registrant” field. In most cases, GoDaddy.com, Inc.
is not the registrant of domain names listed in this database.
Registrant:
The Biblical Seven Activity
22 Colrain Street
Greenfield, Massachusetts 01301
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: THEBIBLICALSEVENACTIVITY.COM
Created on: 15-Mar-08
Expires on: 16-Mar-10
Last Updated on: 26-Mar-08
Administrative Contact:
Atwell, Richard rev_rickatwell@verizon.net
The Biblical Seven Activity
22 Colrain Street
Greenfield, Massachusetts 01301
United States
(413) 774-2875
Technical Contact:
Atwell, Richard rev_rickatwell@verizon.net
The Biblical Seven Activity
22 Colrain Street
Greenfield, Massachusetts 01301
United States
(413) 774-2875
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.THEBIBLICALSEVENMINISTRIES.COM
NS2.THEBIBLICALSEVENMINISTRIES.COM
Indeed, using religious believes to scam is utterly coward. I wish these people would be apprehended soon.
Unbelievable
You can ‘wish”…or you can help make it happen..
Things you can do to make it happen..
Send your emails to…
SEC
enforcement@sec.gov.
And…The scammers local FBI office..
FBI Boston
Suite 600
One Center Plaza
Boston, Massachusetts 02108
boston.fbi.gov
(617) 742-5533
You can also report them for MAIL FRAUD…
http://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/forms/MailFraudComplaint.aspx
Could also email the IRS since they make this claim on the site..
“The Biblical Seven activity does not offer Legal or Tax advice. We urge you to seek your own advice. We do suggest that you refer to the IRS publication #950 for their rules that educate on gifting activities. The Biblical Seven is in compliance with all rules in this publication.”
IRS contacts for that US State..
http://www.irs.gov/localcontacts/article/0,,id=98286,00.html
Hope this helps….:)
It is disgusting and disappointing that people will use scripture to rip people off. Whether intentional or not this misuse of scripture and the inability to rightly read and understand scripture leads to activities such as this. If each one of us would read the Bible daily and learn the study/art of Hermeneutics it would greatly enhance our knowledge understanding and true character of God. May God have mercy on this souls who perpetuate this scam in Christ’s name.
I went to the site and I can’t fine where it tells me to send any money to an admin for biblical seven. Can any one show me where i should send it? If I don’t have any money to send then how can it be a scam?
Cameron
MAYBE B/C ITS NOT A SCAM! YOU DON’T SEND YOUR MONEY TO THE ADMIN AT ALL, EVER! YOU ARE GIFTING OTHER PEOPLE JUST LIKE YOURSELF
I personally was in the biblical seven, and I made a nice piece of change. And there was no chain letter. WHAT IS
wrong with a thank you for an gift. Dont you say thanks when someone gives you something.
Thank you for all of your comments!
Thank you okosh for letting everyone know where to take action. I sent a letter to my local post office yesterday. Today I will send letters to each place you suggested. I urge everyone that is outraged by this to do the same.
Thank you GW for reminding us that we must seek God through His word, the Bible. Also, that we must ask God for understanding of His word and for guidance in using the scriptures properly in all aspects of our lives. I don’t know anything about Hermeneutics, but you’ve prompted me to go find out about it. What is the best source?
I concur and it is worth repeating. May God have mercy on this soul who perpetuates this scam in Christ’s name. May He provide understanding to him/her that what s/he is doing is evil. May God bless those who seek Him for love, understanding and guidance.
God Bless,
Sharon
Grow up! May god have mercy on your sole!!! This is not a scam. Have you given gifts to people, have you given people money as a gift? I bet you have- uh oh go call the postoffice on yourself and the fbi and turn yourself in. All of you who do not understand are pathetic. It’s people like you who have no understanding or compassion for others. Why don’t you seriously go read the bible? In the mean time I will pray that you recieve understanding and the knowledge you need to know that this is not a scam.
Since the wide use of the internet the human ethical standard is down on its lowest level. A situation we can watch daily in the news. And we experience it on the internet in our daily action to make money. That sick Guy in Austria who imprisoned his daughter for 24 years and she never have seen sunlight, the clear signs of our mental and spiritual conditions in global terms.
Dejager
I called the local FBI in Boston. They asked if people would submit the information to www.ic3.gov It is the FBI’s internet fraud complaint site.
- Sharon
Please- all you people disgust me. It is people like you who do not see the good in things. I feel sorry for all of you. All you are about is out for yourself. Do u help others who are in need. I seriously doubt it. Get a grip there is nothing illegal- how about calling the FBI ON YOURSELF AND GROW UP!!!
You poor sheep are pathetic…anyone who thinks this activity is a scam is certainly mentally challenged. It smacks of “sour grapes”, irresponsibility, and I believe whoever started this “scam” rumor obviously is immature and incapable of following simple rules.
Continue to drudge away in your mundane jobs (if you even HAVE one) until you retire at the age of 70, then drop dead of a heart attack one week later…hmmm, some retirement, eh? In the meantime, my wife and I will retire at the age of 40 and 48 respectively next month because of this “scam”. We will certainly pray for you and your misguided perceptions of this activity.
We will be praying for you while we do what we WANT to do, rather than what we HAVE to do, for the rest of our lives.
Enjoy!
Blessings,
Marty Oberman
Maryland state director
Admin volunteer
The Biblical Seven Ministries
It amazes me how people spend all of their energy & money trying to bring something down. What makes your site the official “Scam Busters”? There were plenty “real” scams out there that were legally brought down & you guys don’t even meantion it. That’s kind of fishy. You are wasting people’s time emailing the FBI & the Post Master. The sad part is those fools are actually doing it! For what?! The Biblical Seven Activity has already been investigated & found to be within all legal limitations. Since you claim to be the “scam experts” why don’t you post that? huh??? Maybe because there is something personal that you have against it?
If you want to educate people, you must first stop with the negative blogs. The negative blogs make people with common sense like myself question the actual negative bloggers. I would rather stop & listen to education rather than a bashing which appears to be a personal mission to take down something which may be legitamate.
AMEN! Sour grapes is right! No one thinks it’s unfair or illegal for single people to give wedding gifts, baby shower gifts, anniversary gifts, engagement gifts, etc. when one who chooses to be single with no kids will never get any of those gifts. What a double standard! If there are people out there who choose to give a gift with no guarantee that they will get one in return, that is their choice and no one should judge it. We have so many people hurting from hurricanes, tornados, floods, jobs gone overseas, companies downsizing and our government sends a billion dollars a day to help other countries rebuild, but has no money for us. We should be helping each other any way we can unconditionally! That is the most CHRISTIAN thing I’ve heard in a long time.
I was disgusted the other day after reading about this Biblical seven scammers and only left the one word comment. Thanks Sharon for the heads up on this mob. I have passed your request on far and wide
There are so many other scam hyip’s that you could be going after. Why don’t you do that?
Time to turn up the heat folks and “pile on”….
We need as many emails as possible to be sent…
You already sent??…SEND AGAIN!!
Marty Oberman…Say your prayers boy cos the feds now know!!
Okosh,
It’s certainly wonderful that you have so much time on your hands to notify local/regional FBI offices and postmasters of this alleged scam.
Now, let’s deal with facts, shall we? Since you’re so “gung ho” in “exposing” this purported scam, explain in detail how the Biblical Seven Ministry is scamming its participants. It seems our dear friend Sharon has gone from calling it a “chain letter scam” to simply a scam. Show us posters a copy of this “chain letter”…I’m sure your dedicated readers would like proof of this accusation. Or do they just simply follow along like lemmings hoping to engage in intellectual masturbation, hopping on any bandwagon that gives them their 15 minutes of fame?
And while we’re on the topic of facts, please explain in detail how the participants of Biblical Seven are being scammed. This may be a good practice for you, since the FBI, when dealing with such reports, will first verify the information with the accuser, obtain concrete evidence from them, analyze it, then determine whether to pursue it. You will look awfully foolish in front of them if you are unable to do so. The same process is followed by the USPS. Be very careful about false accusations…filing a false report with the FBI or ANY authority is a punishable crime, and are you really ready to face these types of charges? Your information will be made available to the Biblical Seven consultants, and charges being pressed against you are but one option available.
Please think VERY carefully before jumping in with both feet.
Blessings,
Marty Oberman
State Director
Admin volunteer
The Biblical Seven Ministry
its people like you that bring this country down.
this is people helping people and you are trying to bring it down, what is wrong with you. get a life
The Biblical Seven Activity is 100% legal. It has been thoroughly vetted by attorneys, complies with all USPS and IRS regulations. With each GIFT we send we include a GIFTING STATEMENT that states in no uncertain terms that we are sending this money as a GIFT to the person named in the statement and that we do not expect anything in return, from that person or anyone else. Those GIFTING STATEMENTS are to be used when filing our taxes the next year so that we follow the legal guidelines as far as the IRS goes. The statement also allows us to be legal as far as the USPS goes. We are not mailing anything asking for money from anyone with any promises of wealth in return.
A chain letter requires a letter be written and sent asking folks to send the writer of the letter money with the false promise of money in return. We do not send any letters to anyone asking for money to be sent. We simply tell people we know about the program and invite them to take a look at the website. Then they can choose to participate or not, their choice. There are no threats of dire consequences for not participating or any pressures to send money to one person who then distributes the money to others. In our activity the money goes directly to the participants themselves. No portion goes to the founder or administrator or volunteers except as is GIFTED to them as part of their involvement in the activity.
There is a support system built in to provide accountability for everyone who joins. When someone joins our activity they promise to abide by the rules of the activity and to send out the gifts as required by the activity. If someone fails to send out their gifts as promised they are reminded about their commitment and then if they still fail to keep their promises, they are removed from the activity and replaced. That keeps the activity moving for everyone. We only send out 1 very small gift out of pocket. There is no need for investing huge amounts over and over as there is in other programs.
Report us to whomever you choose. I won’t lose any sleep over it because I know that this activity is 100% legal. For anyone who is interested in joining or looking at the program more thoroughly and can do so with an open mind, please feel free to visit our website. We have nothing to hide.
I do have a question though. From the tone of your posting I wonder if you are maybe a former member who refused to follow the guidelines of the program and were removed so the rest of us could continue.
This program is filled with good, honest, hard working, CHRISTIAN folks who all want the same things in life as the rest of you. We want to be able to bless our families, our friends, our churches, our communities and to reach out through missionaries and mission groups to bless others around the world. We want to be able to be debt free and relax and take vacations with our families. We want to be able to afford to send our children to college or pay for medical treatments that a family member might need. That is why we joined this absolutely wonderful GIFTING program. By sending out our GIFTS as we promised when we joined we start that blessing cycle for ourselves and others. Only SATAN would want to bring this program down. Because by doing so he accomplishes his goal of keeping God’s people downtrodden and under the control of others.
Jenni Hale
Biblical Seven Activity Member and Volunteer
Chat Room & Forum Moderator
Special thanks to TD who told me about this scam…:))
Nothing us Aussies hate more then a scum bag who hides behind a bible to scam….
Progress has been made…
Good news is that these scammers have changed their home page and gone private…Hopefully means less victims..
“The Biblical Seven Activity is a private by invitation only activity.
Please enter your User Name to gain access to The Biblical Seven Activity.”
But I thought you lot said it was all legal??….
Jeni Hale…Why all the sudden secrecy??
What you got to hide??..
Getting scared of the Feds moving in??…HAHAHA..LOL…
Too late for you to hide now…the feds KNOW!!
okosh
DUH! The IRS already know about us!!! HA HA back at cha.
do you really like sounding so stupid?
This is a PRIVATE ACTIVITY!!! There is nothing illegal about The Biblical Seven Activity. We are no different than any private activity like a private country club. We are not hiding, nor do we have anything to hide from!!! We changed our website to keep out riff raff like you and hackers that want to cause problems with our website. If the Feds do come in and investigate us, I cannot wait until they find nothing wrong or illegal about us and then I will find it funny to see just how deep you guy’s pocket books are when the law suits start coming against the ones who initiated the FRAUDULENT accusations about The Biblical Seven Activity which would include Rev. Rick and the members. If you want REAL scams, just check out Superior Marketing LLC. This lady advertises paid sign ups and packages to get U.S. visitors and does not deliver on either one. But no money is ever returned. THIS IS A SCAM!! Check out the Team that pay people to call you stating that they can teach you how to make a fortune on the internet. They convenience people for a SIZABLE amount that in several months time, you can be making a lot of money on the internet. They have you listen to HOURS of so called training calls several times a week which are pure garbage and use the people as their personal data base to sell products and information to. THIS IS A SCAM!! What about the stock market??? I trusted an investment firm several years ago and I lost over $100,000 (everything that I had) all the while begging him every week to be sure that my money was safe as I could not afford to loose it!!! Why not investigate him??????? I can give you examples of scams all day long. The Biblical Seven Activity is a private membership only of people who WANT to be members and adhere to the rules of the membership, no different than any other private activity. We have NO monthly or yearly fees, NO sign up fees and we pay Rev. Rick NOTHING for joining nor for all of the hard work that he has put into this activity. There is absolutely no solicitation of money or anything of the kind. And how dare you sign God Bless!!!??? What kind of church do you go to that teaches you to harm people for no reason??? You are doing the devil’s work by your fraudulent accusations of this activity (and it’s members)when it is obvious that you have not taken the time to find out what this activity is about. All the members are in this activity by choice and this activity is totally legal as every aspect has been checked out by lawyers to be sure that it follows to the letter of the law. I really feel sorry for you that you do not have anything better to do than to try and destroy a great man and a great program. But remember, Sharon, you are leaving yourself open to MULTIPLE lawsuits that can be brought against you and your followers when “THE FEDS” find nothing illegal about THE BIBLICAL SEVEN ACTIVITY, because when you are stating that this activity is a scam, you are in turn actually accusing the members of scamming anyone that they invite into the activity. And personally speaking, I do not appreciate being called a scammer when that is the LAST thing that I would do to people. So Sharon, how deep are your pockets???? Betty Duncan
We are not trying to hide from anyone. Rev Rick, who created this wonderful opportunity for us, has been contacted by the attorney general of a couple states and has complied fully with their requests for information each and every time. We have nothing to hide because we are doing nothing wrong.
We are simply trying to keep our activity private as it is by INVITATION ONLY! There is no need for outsiders to be able to access our website unless they are interested in joining our blessed activity.
Our website changed from a GoDaddy.com domain several months ago to a private domain owned and run be a member of the activity in an attempt to keep it all “in the family”. Our members support the activity through their commitment to send the gifts to the person they are instructed to send it to. The founder of our activity does not make a penny off of any of it.
Why can’t you folks just leave us alone? Why must you attack an activity that is such a blessing to so many hard working Christians? There are so many true scams out there today, go after them and do some real good.
Jenni Hale
Biblical Seven Activity Member and Volunteer
Assistant Chat Room & Forum Moderator
Your selfcentered heart has led you to a table of devils. The Kingdom of God is not of this earth.
Agent725.
There is no reason to report us to the SEC. We are not buying, selling or investing in anything. So they have no interest in us at all.
Why send anything to the IRS? No we do not give any legal or tax advice. We are not attorneys or accuntants and are therefore not qualified to give that sort of advice. We do urge our members to seek that advice if they feel the need to do so. We do urge everyone to check the IRS publication 950 for the laws pertaining to cash gifts and to hold onto all gifting statements to be used for tax filing purposes so we are breaking no laws in that regard.
The FBI has real crooks to chase after, serial killers, kidnappers, drug dealers, etc. Why would they care about a bunch of folks who are willingly and freely sending GIFTS to each other?
The USPS has no laws or regulations against sending cash through the mail. We do not send any requests to anyone asking for them to send money to anyone else, so we are not in violation of any of their rules, regulations or laws. Mail fraud only applies if there is any fraud happening. I am simply sending a gift to a friend, willingly, freely, with no expectation of return.
Jenni Hale
Biblical Seven Activity Member and Volunteer
Assistant Chat Room & Forum Moderator
Ladies and Gentleman,
I admit to have made a judgement error. I informed myself and confirm that the biblical seven activity is real and honest.
Now think about it what a chain of reaction was set in motion to inform the Authorities about it, without doing some background work. More easy to do from you the ones who are living in the USA, then it was for me who has made that check from Asia.
Not the first time that things like that where happen where honest and reliable opportunities where brought down regarding to false information published - while the scammer gangs are laughing and people lose heavy - in some cases even everything. Instead of forming an alliance where honest systems are checked and People who want to earn can be sleep more relaxed as the possibility is dropping that they will lose again.
Nobsinvest could be that place where investment options are tested and operators verify themselves and People can start to earn, building up a reliable and honest option who would benefit many.
Maybe it is picked up I would be more than happy about it.
Yours
Fred
Fred,
I am glad you made an intelligent and thorough investigation into our activity. It shows you have the maturity to think for yourself, rather than listening to folks who really have nothing better to do than “follow the twisted leader”. You, sir, are a TRUE leader in God’s eyes, as you are able to make your own conclusions based on careful thought, and I salute you.
Perhaps these other folks here will one day have the wisdom and maturity that you do, and take a closer look at the Biblical Seven, and make their own conclusions, rather than jumping on the bandwagon of Satan’s imps.
May God bless you and keep you safe!
Marty Oberman
State Director
Admin volunteer
The Biblical Seven Ministries
Hi Fred.
How can an honest and reliable “private” opp be brought down?
Your background checks were ?
Save your stories, excuses and explanations for the Judge…
Hope you got a good lawyer cos you gonna need one…
You shifty Christian scammer you, changing the home page like that in an attempt to hide the evidence…
naughty, naughty…
BTW….Changing the home page won’t help one little bit in saving you from the Feds cos THIS is the linkey I’ll be sending in my emails from now on…hehehe….
http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:9y0oe_L7fmEJ:thebiblicalsevenactivity.com/leftframe.htm+thebiblicalsevenactivity&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=au&client=firefox-a
Luke 6:38 may be your twisted excuse to scam that you use on your site…
BUT…
Okosh 6:38 says, “I’m gonna have you fake Christian scammers busted by the Feds”….
okosh
It is sad for a person who has nothing better to do than stir up trouble. There are hundreds of cash gifting programs all over the country. IRS form 950 sets the guide lines for the same. check youtube and look at all the cash people are getting and broadcasting. Guess what brainless its all legal. I’ll pray for you.
Give your sour grapes to someone else.
You don’t even state any facts. why? BECAUSE YOU DON’T HAVE ANY? duh!!!!
Marilyn
A lot of comments since yesterday! Let me try to address some of them.
First, I am not now nor was I ever taken in by the biblical seven scam. I am not a former member.
Second, what makes me an expert on scams is years of studying them. Yes, I have fallen prey to several of them. It is what sparked my desire to really study them and the laws surrounding them. I am no longer a victim. However, I am not a lawyer or government employee. I am just an ordinary US citizen that is writing about what I know so that others aren’t sucked into scams. Some people will listen and some will not. I can’t help those that do not listen. Not all of my blogs are negative, but this one deserves it. So, before you bash me, please do your own research. Start with Jude’s, Leo’s, Mbongwe’s and my other articles. “Ponzi Scheme - Pond Scum” is a good place to begin.
Next, yes, there are plenty of other scams out there. I’ve reported on more than I could count. If you look back through the history of nobsinvest’s sister site www.nobshyip.net, you’ll see my name on plenty of scam warning articles. You’ll also see my name on older articles where I reported opportunities that I believed were legitimate, legal and honest. Guess what? Those sites were brought down and/or are being investigated. Many of the administrators are in jail now. I was wrong, but I learned through trial and error and years of research.
I haven’t reported on any sites in a long time; mostly because they weren’t worth my time. Why this one? Because, wrapping Christianity around a scam is worse than the scams that use other methods to hide. It is a sin. My outrage comes from my love of God and from righteous justice. Why did I report it here instead of nobshyip.net? I’m not sure. It should be reported on both sites and I will take care of that today.
What makes this a scam? First of all, it is a chain letter. I realize that it isn’t one in the traditional since, just like HYIPs and Autosurfs are not ponzi’s in the traditional since. However, disguising it as a “gift” does not make it any less of a chain letter and/or mail fraud. Removing the forwarding list of names does not make it any less of a scheme to send money to someone in order to get more money back.
The USPS says this, “The Internet is teeming with fraudulent schemes, and swindlers find it easy to exploit innocent victims online. Fraud on the Internet results in mail fraud when “cyberscammers” receive payments and ship items via the U.S. Mail.” Calling a payment a “gift” does not make it any less of a payment.
Wikipedia says this under pyramid schemes, “Such schemes may try to downplay their pyramid nature by referring to themselves as “binary systems”, or “gifting circles” with money being “gifted”.”
Here are some other signs that it is a scam… When a site includes language claiming that it is legal, that means that it has the appearance of being illegal and they need to convince their victims it is legal. It isn’t! Legitimate opportunities do not have to claim they are legal. If the opportunity was honest and legal, they wouldn’t have to demand that “gifts” be hidden in a greeting card and have some bogus “I certify that this is a gift” document with it. When I send a true gift through the mail, it is a check, which can be traced, and I don’t have to include some mumbo-jumbo that resembles a legal document. When light is shone on a scam site, it goes into hiding or “private.” They send flunkies to protest loudly and try to discredit whoever is shining the light on them. They can make all of the false claims and disclaimers that they want, but it doesn’t make it legal or honest.
How does the administrator make money from this type of scam? Well, the site stated that names are “randomly” drawn to receive “gifts.” Hmmm… think about it… “random” is most likely weighted towards the perp, his family and friends. I feel sorry for Jenni because moderators are usually the last to find out that it is a crime.
Even if we give this “Rev Rick” character the benefit of the doubt and assume he is trying to do something good, why in the world would he have to try to skirt around laws and create something so shifty looking? If he is a reverend in real life, then that makes it so much worse. He is tempting Christians and non-Christians to sin and commit a crime. And he’s trying to say that God told him to do it! Baloney!!!
Jenni, you are being lied to. Take for example your comment that the website was changed from godaddy and went private a couple of months ago. No, it didn’t. When someone researches a domain name, the information is current. When the information changes, it is reported and the old information is archived. It doesn’t take months. Also, why would a “legitimate” site have to have private contact information?
The last thing I want to address is the statement on the site and in a comment above that people “gift” without any expectation of return. Hogwash! It is not a missionary site where you’re gifting to the poor. The sole purpose of being a member and gifting is to get a return 3 times greater. So, members are expecting a return on their “investment.” Just read Marty’s comment. He says so. “Gifting” amounts are in 7 increasing amounts. Members have to pay out more as time goes on, from $37 up to thousands!
I have some questions, though. Why are “gifts” that are given freely in specific amounts with specific cash? Why not chose how much you want to give and to whom? Why not pay for the gift in the form of a personal check, certified check or money order? Why cash? I can only think of one answer. It is because the scheme is illegal!
I read everything on the site, before it went private. I know that I am human and may be fooled by a scam. However, this one is so blatantly a scam that I didn’t have to go very far past the surface. I do not know if “Rev Rick” is a scammer on purpose or not, however 99% of scam administrators are scammers on purpose. I can not and will not judge “Rev Rick.” God is the only one that can do that. However, I can judge this one action, because it is illegal.
OK, now that I’ve blown off more steam. I’d like to thank all of those that have stepped forward with information on how to report this crime and all of those, both vocal and silent, who have actually taken the steps. The more people that report a crime increases how fast authorities act on it.
I’m doing my part to try to bring down internet/mail fraud, are you? May God bless everyone and may He provide knowledge and understanding to those being suckered into these scams.
God Bless,
Sharon Frye
Still not convinced? Here is the invitation e-mail letter…
Hello All Participants:
Thanks for Being On The Journey With Me…….
okay…..so you got here but you don’t know quite how it all works. Well, I’ll try and explain it in simple terms so you all understand how it works. Now remember I’m clergy and not a mathematician. But I will tell you this-it only takes 3,279 people to get you through Step Seven on The Biblical Seven Journey. Not 400,000, Not 300,000, Not 200,000, Not 100,000, Not even 50,000. Not even 10,000. Don’t believe everything you read or hear unless it comes from a reliable and official source. As I am instrumental in starting this activity, I guess I’ll consider myself official.
Our organization is comprised of 7,777 positions who each will become a Receiver and a Gifter sometime during your Journey of Seven Steps.This is important to understand as everyone must be both to acquire a Friends List so as to gift as a Giver but also to Receive as a Receiver. For the purpose of this explanation, a successful Journey for this activity is when all 7,777 have successfully completed Step Seven.
The first action to become a participant is to complete and successfully submit your Participation Form to become eligible to participate. Once you have successfully done this, the computer assigns you a unique customer I.D. number. These numbers are assigned on a first in basis. Let’s assume for this explanation that 7,777 of you have successfully submitted your Participation Forms and have received your I.D. numbering 1-7,777.
The next step to occur is that computer needs to assign Receivers. Now because a Receiver needs to be assigned to 3 different applicants, it is done sequentially in groups of 3. For example Receiver #200 goes on 3 different applications. That means that when a spin is completed of all 7,777 numbers, a receiver has been assigned to 2,592 applicants but because a Receiver is assigned to 3 different applicants, 864 New Receivers are used from the Receiver pool. This spin also required 7,777 Gifters so the Gifter pool was used up. So now we have 0 in the Gifter Pool and 6,913 left in the Receiver pool. How are we going to continue?
Simple the program assigns all 7,777 positions another re-entry number. Now we have 7777 more available gifters in the pool and still have 6,913 available Receivers.
So now we spin the wheel a second time, the same things occurs-2,592 Friends List are issued using 7,777 Gifters and using up another 864 New Receivers. We have now issued a Friends to 2/3 of our Activity of 7777. The Gifter Pool is empty again and we are down to 6,049 available Receivers. Again the computer assigned another Re-entry number to all 7777 so there is now full pool of Gifters. We still have 6,049 available Receivers.
So we spin the wheel a third time, the same thing occurs-2592 Friends Lists are issued using 7,777 Gifters and using another 864 Receivers. We have now issued a Friends List to all 7,777 participants. The Gifter Pool is empty and 5,185 Receivers need to be assigned.
So the math says we spin 6 more times so the very last (7,777) Receiver is assigned to a Friends List and can make it through Step Seven-that is a successful Journey for everyone.
Each original entry gave 3 Re-Entries for each Seven Step Journey.
You obtained a total of 27 positions. As it requires 3 spins to acquire a Friends List, you will have acquired
9 new journeys. 9 spins
9 x $37 = $333
9 x $15554=$139,986
As I’ve said on the conference calls, your one original entry can be worth over $500,000 per year simply repeating the above entire process 5 more times. Using 10 day spin ex.: 9 spins x 10 days = 90 days 365/90 = 5x $139,986 =$699,930
obviously if you hold multiple positions, these figures can be modified to your circumstances.
Hope this helps.
Rev. Rick Atwell
The Biblical Seven
[…] wrote an article about this scam at nobsinvest.com. I should have included it here. Actually I should have written […]
That “letter” is not anything that is mailed out to anyone. It is a post on our forum which NON-MEMBERS have no right to be going to.
The Gifting Statement is what folks are supposed to use when they file their taxes next year. That way we stay legal with the IRS.
The card is simply a nice touch, a sweet gesture, but not required and not everyone sends one.
Cash is what the activity says to send so no one has to deal with a check that bounces or cashing a check in order to send out the next round of gifts.
The only out of pocket expense for anyone in the activity is the initial gift of $37. The rest of the steps are sent out of the gifts that we receive. So if after I send my gift of $37, no one ever sends me anything, then that is the luck of the draw and I am out that $37.
Yes, we have an accountability side to the activity to help make sure that everyone does receive a gift, but no one is ever coerced or threatened to send the gift. They are simply reminded that they agreed to send the gift when it was time and given the opportunity to either send the gift out or get out of the activity.
Jenni Hale
Biblical Seven Activity Member and Volunteer
Assistant Chat Room and Forum Moderator
Jenni and the other B7 particpants including myself, these negative people are not worth even your time going back and forth with them on this site. i wouldnt even bother anymore. we who believe in the B7 just need to take hold and encourage each other and leave these people to fight amoung theirselves. hope to talk with you again soon jenni..miss the chats…annointed.. rev rick, love ya and your in our prayers! if nobody tries to go back and forth with these people trying to defend B7 then they will have to go pick on somebody else..God Bless!
Jenni,
Why can’t non-members visit the forum? Where is the forum?
The letter above is what I received in an email as part of an invitation to join the opportunity.
My dear, you have been brainwashed into believing that a gifting program is legal and that it pays. It is illegal and while it pays some people, many more never receive a thing and are losing money.
Besides the deplorable hiding behind Christianity, the sad part about illegal money schemes is that when a person “wins” money they are not winning from the administrator or from the program, instead they are taking money out of the pockets of the many more that do not “win.”
I really hope that you do not lose too much money before this scheme is shut down. If you are a “winner”, I hope that you think seriously about the thousands of people that weren’t winners. While $37 may not seem like a lot of money to you, it does to others. When someone doesn’t “win”, they will most likely spend that $37 over and over trying to win.
I urge you to read the article I wrote, read the USPS guidelines on spotting mail fraud, www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/pubs/pub300a.pdf, look up pyramid scheme and ponzi scheme on wikipedia, read http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/InPerson/MajorPerson/pyramid_clubs.htm, or google gifting program scams. There is a lot of information about the crime.
God Bless,
Sharon
WOW!!! Oh how you were SOOOOO wrong about this one. I read every page (I urge you to read the article I wrote, read the USPS guidelines on spotting mail fraud, www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/pubs/pub300a.pdf,) there was NOTHING in all the scams listed that pointed to the Biblical 7 as being a scam. I do mean I read every page to see what the PO had to say, and there was NOTHING.
Cameron
Sharon,
In the majority of your posts, you make WAY too many assumptions, opinions, but very FEW facts. I can understand you’ve been stung by actual scams, and are rather angry about it…I can understand that. My wife and I actually lost $2,900 on a mortgage scam this past January, and almost lost our home.
Having said that, when I was invited into this activity, I took a very careful look at it. I am not someone who is capable of being “brainwashed”, and consider myself of above average intelligence and education (hence my spelling ability and sentence structure…a clue). I was (am still am) convinced it is a very legal and successful activity, or I would not be volunteering and spending so much of my precious time being involved in it.
Sometimes, in the “heat-of-the-moment” of attempting to expose scams, we tend to think rashly and hastily. Perhaps if we backed off a bit, took a deep breath, and focused on the facts, we would see things in a different light. I am sure you are providing a magnificent service to folks who have actually been victims of true scams, but I sincerely believe you’re completely misguided here.
If you’d like to prove your mettle, allow me to give you a homework assignment: track down the folks who perpetuated the “advance-payment” mortgage scam we were victims of. They operated out of Canada and used an address in Memphis, Tennessee as their base of operations. They went under the name of First Equity Loans. If you can give me names, addresses, telephone numbers of the perpetrators of this scam, your credibility with me and all the members of the Biblical Seven and your venerable site will surely be verified.
If you are unable to provide that information, well…we’ll simply consider you another wanna-be with too much time on their hands, looking for their 15 minutes of fame.
Thanks, and God bless
Marty Oberman
State Director
Admin volunteer
The Biblical Seven Ministries
Sharon I know one thing, you need to go play with someones marbles and get out of our backyard… You have no idea what is going on are how the Biblical 7 even works.
Get a life…
Cameron
You didn’t have to post that Marshell the comments here in last 24 hours show just how much Biblical 7 are hoping those marbles get a workout.
This blog article has shown a great many people who is out there preying on others. Thanks Sharon
I am sorry for you Sharon. I am sorry that you are so full of pain and anger that you feel the need to hurt others so deeply in order to make yourself feel better. I am praying for you, Sharon. I pray for your healing. I am asking Rev. Rick and all in the Biblical Seven to pray for Sharon. Please forgive her.
Dear God, please heal our sister Sharon. Please bring her peace and love. Light up her life. Surround her in Your everlasting love to ease the pain and anger that has taken over her heart.
In Jesus’ name, we ask You this, God. AMEN!
I would like The contact information for sharon I would like to see here facts because this is Libel Slander And I have a nice lawsuit that I will serve her with please let me know.
Bib 7 Totally Legit
@Leslie…
My cat is more of a Christian then you’ll ever be..
@Fred…
You idiot!!…I suppose you also gonna sue me??..
BRING IT ON YOU SCAMMER!!!
@Jenni Hale…
(For the third time)…Why has your scam suddenly gone “private”??…
Why did you change the home page??
And…Why did you lie about your domain??…naughty, naughty..
okosh
Okosh,
What is wrong with you? The name calling is uncall for!!!
It’s synonymous with someone that’s gay. Are you gay?
cp
Yes dear, your cat is more Christian than I am. That is a given, all animals are closer to God than we are for they do not let their egos and emotions stand between them and God.
Thank you for reminding me of that precious fact.
Sharon, your something else gal. You have taken out bits and pieces from their website and tuned them around to say something else that suits your cause which seems to be getting back at someone or something that you think harmed you in some way. As they say, hell hath no furry as a woman scorned. I invite anyone to go to this website and find one thing that is illegal or wrong or bad in any way. It is a ministry that’s sole purpose is to help those that are financially strapped to get out from under the debt that can and does ruin lives and families. If that is a scam my dear, then please, we need lots more of them. You would think that the mindless would check out the site before they posted to this. I invite everyone to check it out from end to end and then see what you think of it. Don’t let someone else do your thinking for you. This person obviously has a big chip on her shoulder. Judge for yourself.
Steve Lacasse
Okosh, You are just sick and you show your mental sickness on whatever Forum you are , never did I read anything from you with value and quality. The names you give others are just the reflection of yourself.
I can never work out how to trackback
Help!
http://tdinoz-td.blogspot.com/2008/05/gods-action-plan-yeah-right-biblical.html#links
you people are seriously disturbed. grow up already.
What i have read in here about the b7 or whatever, I didn’t see anything that said they had to pay to get in. If someone want to give money to someone else, who cares what they do with their money, its theirs. do you think its yours? I send birthday, graduation gifts, so does that mean I am scamming my family. I sent out a gift. and by reading the post, thats all they are doing.
I would be so upset, if someone was trying to tell me what i can and cannot do with my money.
if its a scam, you’ve made your point. and if its not a scam, then someone in that group needs to sue all of you, for defimation of character. one other thing, if you are not and never have been, a member then who do you know, that has given you all the info. Maybe they were not understanding it fully. all i am saying, is before you go hopping on that bull, you better have everything 100% correct. Cause if not, it can bite you in the ass. Cause if you are putting up false information,
the gov. doesn’t take kindly to that either.
If this is a scam, Its the best scam ever, I made new friends and it sends me gifts. If I never received anything else I would still be satisfied. So if you have not participated in this activity how can you call it a scam when you do not know all the facts. The Fact is you are making an assumption to something you know nothing about. If you fully participate you will be spiritually uplifted just like the rest of us. If he(God) is withus who can be against us. So no matter what you do. There is no stopping us. I will continue to pray for your spiritual healing.
You do all seem to be a tad worked up over this blog article.
I could muse on why that. I wouldn’t be shocked to find out that you are all the same person (or couple) leaving these comments. MPD maybe…
Gifting programs are an illegal money making pyramid scheme. “Rev Rick” is in Massachusetts. Here is a link from a similar case http://www.mass.gov/?pageID=cagopressrelease&L=1&L0=Home&sid=Cago&b=pressrelease&f=2007_10_24_dorchester_lottery&csid=Cago. The “opportunity” names may be different and they list variations on the money making scheme, but it is a gifting program.
When money is transfered to someone, be it an individual or a company, with the expectation of earning more than was sent, then it is an investment. When that entity operates in the US and is not registered with the SEC, then it is illegal. When many people participate in transferring money with the expectation of earning more than was sent, but the reality is that the money goes to a few, then it is an illegal money making scheme, also called a pyramid or ponzi scheme.
Gifting programs are illegal money making schemes. Let me take this scam as an example. (By the way, notice that rounds and spins are used in the actual explanation and are words of games/chance.) You gift $37 in round one with the hopes of being picked as a winner. You do not gift to a needy family, instead you gift to another participant, whom you do not know whether they are needy or not. You are also instructed on exactly how much to “give”, instead of choosing how much you want to give. Oops! You didn’t get picked, so you “gift” another $37 and then another and so on through 7 rounds. If you do happen to win and you receive more than $37, then you move up and you are required to “gift” a larger amount in order to stay as a participant. You’re running around giving money to each other. In order for some to get back more than they put in, then many more have to lose. Instead of giving to needy families, like you claim, you’re actually taking money from needy families. Only the program (game) participants can receive in this set up. IF all participants are just giving without any expectations, then why are you sending money to each other? How do you know which participants are “needy?” If some members are needy, are they selected to receive, rather than being put into the random pool? Why not take the money and give it to an organization or send it directly to a family in your community that really needs it?
The example of sending a monetary gift to a family member or close friend is a false one. When you truly give a gift, you do not expect anything in return. You give it to celebrate something, because you’re thinking of them or because they need it.
Rev Rick’s own letter is not about the joy of giving, instead it lays out how you can win money. It fails to mention all of the people who lose.
Gifting programs and other illegal money making schemes are rampant on the internet. You will see thousands of them. Just because they exist does not make them legal. They are ALL illegal.
I chose this one as a deplorable example of an illegal scheme, because the scam is being done in the name of God. Quoting scripture does not make it right or legal. Picking one verse out of context does not allow for understanding of that verse. My understanding of Luke 6:38 comes from Jesus’s complete teaching. If you believe in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, live according to God’s laws, live according to God’s will, which includes giving freely, then God will reward you with abundance. Your free will must be in alliance with God’s will. It does not, nor will it ever, mean that you give with the expectation of receiving. That is a false interpretation. Read all of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, instead of pulling one verse out of context and applying your own meaning to it. The rest of the text explains the meaning. I only mention this, because I do not want to give non-Christians the impression that Jesus wants anyone to be greedy. If your interpretation is accurate, than why aren’t gifting programs part of churches?
I have said nothing libelous or slanderous. The only term that I used for the administrator of this scam is “scammer.” A scammer is one that scams, whether it is intentional or not. “In law, defamation (also called vilification, slander, and libel) is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressively stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government or nation a negative image. Slander refers to a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report, while libel refers to any other form of communication such as written words or images.” In order for this article and my comments to constitute libel, they would have to be false.
I didn’t include sources of what makes this a scam at first, because my assumption was that it was obvious. However, the article at http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/InPerson/MajorPerson/pyramid_clubs.htm lists many sources from many states.
What makes this mail fraud is that the “gifts” are being sent through the US Mail. I called it a chain letter, because it is one with a few variations. People are more familiar with the illegality of chain letters, than they are with gifting programs.
I’m very curious as to why I’ve been stating the reasons and the signs that this is a scam, yet what I’ve been getting back are attacks on me personally. Instead of attacking me, show me where it says that this is not illegal, please.
By the way, you’ll notice that I’m not defending myself other than the reasons why I know this is a scam. I see no reason to do that. Anything personal is beside the topic of this article. That being said, Leo, you are welcome to email me with all the information and I will be happy to publish it. Legal opportunities do not have to hide what they are doing. For example, when I make an investment with a legal opportunity, I can get full disclosure in a prospectus.
Why do I report on how to spot a scam, like this one? Because, I care about people losing their hard earned money to scammers. I’ve read thousands of stories about people losing money that they really needed and/or had hopes/dreams for the money they would have “won.” The stories touch my heart and make me cry. It is those stories that prompted me to start issuing scam warnings.
- Sharon
Sharon,
You’re obviously NOT in tune with this program. You’re reading cases of “gifting program” scams on the Internet and automatically associating them with the B7. You pick and choose the facts you wish th